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Wording on Revolutionary Party question #44

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flameoguy opened this issue Oct 20, 2022 · 2 comments
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Wording on Revolutionary Party question #44

flameoguy opened this issue Oct 20, 2022 · 2 comments

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@flameoguy
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After answering that workers should control the means of production (the word 'own' is used), users are presented with:

"Should there be a revolutionary party to teach the masses during and after the revolution?"

Answering yes puts you on the path for Bordigism and De Leonism, while answering no puts you on the path towards Council Communism and Situationism. The goal seems to be differentiating on whether the user agrees with the party dictatorship, whether the working class should be organized into a formal party to advance their demands and theoretical development.

Neither Bordiga nor De Leon considered a revolutionary party to be a part of communist society. They consider the party to be an organ of the working class for the purpose of achieving communism. After the revolution, the party would be unnecessary as the class conflict would be resolved.

The question could read "Should the working classes be organized into a revolutionary party?" and discard the nonsense about 'teaching the masses'.

Source: https://libcom.org/article/bordiga-versus-pannekoek-antagonism-0

@TheGhostOfInky
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I agree that's better wording, although you're reducing the revolution to just the final transition of the lower phase of communism to the highest phase, most arguments for a vanguard are to oversee the dictatorship of the proletariat, the stage that results from the revolution.

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I agree that's better wording, although you're reducing the revolution to just the final transition of the lower phase of communism to the highest phase, most arguments for a vanguard are to oversee the dictatorship of the proletariat, the stage that results from the revolution.

That's a mischaracterization of my position. I never mentioned the phases of communism or proletarian dictatorship, only the basic position of vanguardists towards achieving communism. You seem to be interpreting the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' as a discrete mode of production rather than the period under which a revolutionary working class has seized political power, but not yet implemented communist society.

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